X-Men Schism

[MaximusRift]

meh, I'm a nowist. I don't really mind if things don't persist and its just a quick gimmick. Nothing is going to be like that or feel like things like that used to be so...I read what's fun and keep my long-term memory at bay and enjoy things as they come. I think anyone who wants to enjoy comic books has to be that way to some extent or another. I'm not sure if its simply the status quo or the final evolution of a medium with so many decades of concurrent storytelling.

Well, I disagree. If you enjoy comics, then you know who's writing/drawing/manipulating the story from behind the scenes.  You make your choices based on that.  Will I return to X-men? Sure, but it's going to depend on who's writing/drawing/manipulating the story from behind the scenes. It's also going to depend what they're doing since 'taste' factors into that decision too.

When it comes to anything nostalgia kills. Comics weren't better when I was a kid, I was just a kid. Cartoons weren't better when I was a kid, I was just a kid. We get into these absolutes about things, and I'm kind of with Gaumer. I'm living in the now, if I enjoy something I buy and support it. I don't try to compare this to what I saw 10 years ago.

So everything that you liked as a kid is crap now?  All nostalgia does is make harder to see the flaws and sometimes it can't even do that.  The stuff you watched as a kid was cool to you when you were a kid and unless your taste changed or you discover that your brain decided to hide the horrid, horrid flaws; you will still like it.

[Slappy]

This is the first X story in years that has garnered my interest and has persueded me to at least check it out if not carry through.

[Gaumer]

meh, I'm a nowist. I don't really mind if things don't persist and its just a quick gimmick. Nothing is going to be like that or feel like things like that used to be so...I read what's fun and keep my long-term memory at bay and enjoy things as they come. I think anyone who wants to enjoy comic books has to be that way to some extent or another. I'm not sure if its simply the status quo or the final evolution of a medium with so many decades of concurrent storytelling.

Well, I disagree. If you enjoy comics, then you know who's writing/drawing/manipulating the story from behind the scenes.  You make your choices based on that.  Will I return to X-men? Sure, but it's going to depend on who's writing/drawing/manipulating the story from behind the scenes. It's also going to depend what they're doing since 'taste' factors into that decision too.

When it comes to anything nostalgia kills. Comics weren't better when I was a kid, I was just a kid. Cartoons weren't better when I was a kid, I was just a kid. We get into these absolutes about things, and I'm kind of with Gaumer. I'm living in the now, if I enjoy something I buy and support it. I don't try to compare this to what I saw 10 years ago.

So everything that you liked as a kid is crap now?  All nostalgia does is make harder to see the flaws and sometimes it can't even do that.  The stuff you watched as a kid was cool to you when you were a kid and unless your taste changed or you discover that your brain decided to hide the horrid, horrid flaws; you will still like it.

So...Jason Aaron sucks? I don't get what you are saying. If you're not reading comics how does one know if they enjoy a creator? Publishers go through a lot of them regularly. Which is a good thing, IMO.

I'm saying nostalgia and past events have nothing to do with my enjoyment of comics today. I think this is the main reason people are dismissing comics today, as I've alluded to: They want the books to make them feel the way they did when they were younger, and it doesn't do that because either the creators aren't reaching the same level of creativity as the creators of yesteryear, or the reader has changed. Its tough for the reader to measure this accurately IMO and its so much easier to blame the big bad comic book publishers.

But, if we just get the hell over it and live in the now, none of that comes into the equation, and a reader can love or hate a comic based solely on that comic.

[SpiderLover]

meh, I'm a nowist. I don't really mind if things don't persist and its just a quick gimmick. Nothing is going to be like that or feel like things like that used to be so...I read what's fun and keep my long-term memory at bay and enjoy things as they come. I think anyone who wants to enjoy comic books has to be that way to some extent or another. I'm not sure if its simply the status quo or the final evolution of a medium with so many decades of concurrent storytelling.

Well, I disagree. If you enjoy comics, then you know who's writing/drawing/manipulating the story from behind the scenes.  You make your choices based on that.  Will I return to X-men? Sure, but it's going to depend on who's writing/drawing/manipulating the story from behind the scenes. It's also going to depend what they're doing since 'taste' factors into that decision too.

When it comes to anything nostalgia kills. Comics weren't better when I was a kid, I was just a kid. Cartoons weren't better when I was a kid, I was just a kid. We get into these absolutes about things, and I'm kind of with Gaumer. I'm living in the now, if I enjoy something I buy and support it. I don't try to compare this to what I saw 10 years ago.

So everything that you liked as a kid is crap now?  All nostalgia does is make harder to see the flaws and sometimes it can't even do that.  The stuff you watched as a kid was cool to you when you were a kid and unless your taste changed or you discover that your brain decided to hide the horrid, horrid flaws; you will still like it.

I'm not saying it is all crap, I'm just saying that we look favorably upon things that have come before. I think that a lot of my childhood loves were actual diamonds. There is no denying that a few of those diamonds were infact Cubic Zirconia.

[MaximusRift]

So...Jason Aaron sucks? I don't get what you are saying. If you're not reading comics how does one know if they enjoy a creator? Publishers go through a lot of them regularly. Which is a good thing, IMO.

I'm saying nostalgia and past events have nothing to do with my enjoyment of comics today. I think this is the main reason people are dismissing comics today, as I've alluded to: They want the books to make them feel the way they did when they were younger, and it doesn't do that because either the creators aren't reaching the same level of creativity as the creators of yesteryear, or the reader has changed. Its tough for the reader to measure this accurately IMO and its so much easier to blame the big bad comic book publishers.

But, if we just get the hell over it and live in the now, none of that comes into the equation, and a reader can love or hate a comic based solely on that comic.

No... Jason Aaron does not suck. Anyone who tells Alan Moore to "go f' himself" is okay in my book. (Google it.)

I guess what I'm arguing is that past-experiences always factor into what comics you read. Will a comic book arc be terrible if the past 4 arc were terrible? No, but you are reading about a certain character because you enjoyed him in the past.  I'm also arguing that you don't have to be a "nowist" to any extent to be able to enjoy comics today.  It's all a matter of taste...and money.

(joke)

Also, why did you bring Jason Aaron into this?  Why not Kieron Gillen? Huh?

(/joke)

[Gaumer]

lol, Aaron is writing Schism, the OP, but I have no problems with Gillen thus far.

I guess what I'm arguing is that past-experiences always factor into what comics you read.

But not which ones you will enjoy.

[MaximusRift]

I guess you are right about that.  Just because it looks like you might hate doesn't mean you will. Maybe Marvel won't make Scott wear the the Civil War "Iron Dictator" role and give Wolverine the Capt A role.  Maybe Logan will be the one to take the aggressive stance (since he is the one running X-Force under everyone's noses) and Cyclops will take up Xavier's dream again. Maybe we'll get that Cyclops/Psylocke relationship they wimped out off before the Genosha was now that Emma apparently will side with Logan.  Maybe Nightcrawler will come back as a woman.


Okay, I'm being too sacractic.  I guess I'm proving your point.  However, I can't help but feel that we'll get the same treatment we got for Tony and Steve. I will be looking out for the issues, but I'm really not hopeful about what I'll get.

[Gaumer]

Yup, and I'm not trying to sway anything, I could honestly care less what other people read.

I make a concerted effort to not allow past experiences to unfairly push me away from a book. It works the other way too, so its okay. In a medium that is constantly evolving without really going anywhere and the persistent inundation of previews and reviews and bullshit, one has to ignore certain things to enjoy anything nowadays.

Some may say I'm fooling myself into making something it just cannot be; but I'm still enjoying the majority of comics I buy.

[Larry King]

I read the first two issues, then I gave up on it. I just want me a simple X-Men story(that's a oximoron for ya), maybe something starring Magneto. But I am sick of the Cyclops, Emma, and Wolverine show.