X-Men First Class

[Slappy]

But there are so many of him everywhere. How do we kill them all?

I would be expecting a cameo by him in the film but, as far as I know, we are being spared.

I suggest we watch Superhero Squad.  They should have an answer in the episode entitled "Too Many Wolverines"

[Gaumer]

The easy targets get hit the most. I guess being the most popular character in a pool of some of the most well-known and beloved characters in all of history makes you an easy target.

If the Legion was as cool as the X-Men they'd have 6 monthlies (and at least 2 of them would be good) the same as if any of the other Marvel characters were as cool as Wolvie they'd have 3-4 monthlies, 3 team books and a cameos everywhere.


Prolly better if he isn't in the movie. The other characters seem so much less important when he's around.

[Navarre]

semi-sarcasm noted with a smile

I would suggest that Wolverine might have become so popular because he gets constant attention, not necessarily because he's really that good. Hannah Montana was never good. Her fans simply assumed she was because she was everywhere.

Give me Joss Whedon, one year, and all of Marvel's marketing focus and I will make any mutant the coolest mutant ever.

[Gaumer]

Yeah, but Wolvie did it without Whedon

And I am being sarcastic as well. I like Wolverine; I think its funny and interesting that he gets so much hate and continues to get as much exposure.

I think the Hannah Montana example isn't a very good one; her show was very popular because of the equation Disney uses for that show. I italicize 'that' because that show was Lizzie McGuire before it was Hannah Montana as was That's So Raven and as IS Wizards of Waverly Place. And we've come full circle and Selena Gomez is no better than Wolverine, using your example. We all know that CANNOT be true

I think Wolvie's appeal is he is just a really cool character, without ANY story at all, who has always lived a life of mystery and WAS badass at one point to afford him having all the attention he currently has, but no longer legitimately deserves that sort of attention as the character stand today. He's like Brett Favre: We keep him around because he USED to be really, really awesome when the schmoes in charge we're reading comics, so if we think it rocks everyone else will too. I guess more than enough readers still feel that way to keep him in books. Lots and lots of books

[Navarre]

Selena Gomez is wonderful and adorable but we won't go down that road.

The characters on those shows are not any more or less diverse from each other than many comic characters. But Hannah Montana was popular because Disney was determined to make her so and knew how to do that.

It is a matter of exposure. More people talked about Megan Fox than Bar Rafaeli's beauty or Cate Blanchett's acting because Megan was on every single piece of public media known to man.

I think our brains inevitably go to that to which we are most exposed. Once Iron Man was an awesome character but the average citizen had no clue about him. Now everyone knows Iron Man and Iron Man is cool because he was given to us that way.

It takes nothing away from the character though. Iron Man was always cool. Hannah Montana wasn't.

Wolverine is a cool character who has been chosen as the marketing messiah by Marvel. I believe he would have been cool regardless, only less ubiquitous and balanced with the rest of the MU.

I think maybe this conversation has happened a couple dozen times already? 

So First Class will bring some other characters to the spotlight. Watch, soon Banshee or someone will get their own title.

[Gaumer]

Yeah we have had this discussion before. It usually ends with us agreeing that people should just read what they like and stop getting opinions from media and websites...which is never a good thing for MS. We do that a bunch, actually. I blame Slappy because he is my go to blamee on the forums should I need one.

We'll agree to disagree on the 'chicken and egg' of mass media promotion on specifics, but I agree with you that it does happen for too much. It goes back to the PR Stunts thread going on and how difficult it is to tell if/when this has been done and what extent we've been duped...if it even is that. I don't buy comic books or movies I've rented if I didn't like them, no matter how much marketing I've seen. I hate thinking that people are that shallow and mindless...anyways


I am excited about X:FC but I'm excited about a bunch of movies this summer and I doubt I will go to see any of them in the movie house. I'm just not a theater sort of guy and my entertainment budget goes more to by the source material of the movies than the movies themselves.

But I think any exposure of these character and storylines I've loved my whole life to every one else in the world is great thing.

[Navarre]

In a perfect world I would have been happier if Marvel Studios had always put out the X-Men movies instead of Fox. But I was still excited to see the first one and enjoyed the first two. I'm looking forward to First Class, at least on principle alone.

Did they tank the Magneto movie? I thought maybe this was their way of still using some of that story, I dunno.

[Gaumer]

In a perfect world I would have been happier if Marvel Studios had always put out the X-Men movies instead of Fox. But I was still excited to see the first one and enjoyed the first two. I'm looking forward to First Class, at least on principle alone.

Did they tank the Magneto movie? I thought maybe this was their way of still using some of that story, I dunno.

It seems like FC is going to be sort of Magneto centric so, hopefully its still in the works or at least being bounced around as an idea depending on what FC does $$$-wise

His ties to the holocaust and the similarities of that racism and the mutants lot makes Magneto one of the deepest villains in all of entertainment IMO. He deserves a movie more than Wolvie But that may be the problem: the things make Magneto's story so interesting are hard to put across and still be meaningful. You have to treat that sort of thing with care, the sort of care that is hard to do in an action type movie, I'd think. But we can hope. I do.

Check out Magneto: Testament by Greg Pak for Magneto awesomeness in that context.

[Navarre]

I think Marvel could do a Magneto movie right if they treated it as a drama with a mutant, not a mutant movie with drama, y'know?

I don't think the ones behind the X-Men movies could pull it off at all and that might be the concern.

[Gaumer]

I think Marvel could do a Magneto movie right if they treated it as a drama with a mutant, not a mutant movie with drama, y'know?

I don't think the ones behind the X-Men movies could pull it off at all and that might be the concern.

That is the exact take Magneto: Testament took with its story.

The Dark Knight was simply a fantastic crime movie with superheroes. Yeah, they should do this.

[Navarre]

If it was done this way, and done well, I think it would add continued credibility to superhero movies. There are plenty of movies being made but sometimes I think they would be better served if the writers were simply good writers who then came to understand the characters as opposed to fan boys who want to please other fanboys and feature a lot of on-screen heroics.

The Dark Knight took itself seriously at every turn; hard to do when your villain is called The Joker. Other movies don't have to be that grim, just that well-written.

[Slappy]

Magneto is SOooooooooo 90's.
Besides weren't the first 3 X-movies all about Magneto getting thwarted by those meddling kids?
I wish they would do an X-film without Mags.

[Navarre]

Who would you like to see as the antagonist?

Apocalypse?
Mr. Sinister?
Hellfire Club?
The Brood?
A gang of Wolverine clones?

[Gaumer]

Who would you like to see as the antagonist?

Apocalypse?
Mr. Sinister?
Hellfire Club?
The Brood?
A gang of Wolverine clones?

Hellfire Club FTW!!

And it would be a "pack" of Wolverine Clones

[Navarre]

heh Yeah, a pack.

Actually, I had looked forward to the Phoenix Saga starting with X-3. I thought they'd introduce Emma and the rest of the Hellfire Club and do it right (even if they left out the Shi'ar and all the space stuff). But Ratner was in a hurry to throw us dozens of pointless mutants, a bad love story with Logan, and a general mess overall.