Avenger's Movie Thread

[Gaumer]

Of course overall discussion of the movie is acceptable, but I'm more into the success of a movie like this and is it even possible.

In the history of movies I do not recall anything as big as this ever occurring.

In order for a comic book movie to work the hero has to be larger than life. Also, his faults and his assets must be examined and the audience must be given a microscope to see those features to understand the character as much as is needed to make a character as deep as a superhero interesting.

How the hell are they going to do that with 4 larger than life characters and their alter egos?

I've just seen so many bad hero movies that dropped the ball by not getting the 'little stuff' right. There are so many 'little things' that will need to go just right with all of these larger than life characters that I'm seriously concerned that there's no way it can get accomplished the right way.

Surely, they will rely on the past movies to tell some of the story and make some of the interactions moved past where they would need to be before the movie even flops the Marvel logo on the screen, but even with Joss Whedon on board (which I am totally down with) I have quickly become a naysayer before the first scene is in the can.

Should I just get over it? Or should I just wait and see, keep my attitude, and hopefully be pleasantly surprised? I really want to be one of the Avengers movies fanboys...I just bring myself to do it.

[Navarre]

Yes, you should reserve judgement on anything until you have the facts. As you say, this movie (and how it is evolving) is so different than anything from before that you can't have an accurate basis of pre-judgement.

But I think the prior movies focusing on each character is a tremendous benefit in giving us a comprehensible and dynamic story in Avengers. We move past the origin issues and personality setup.

It is almost a sequel to those. It would be like watching Return of the King.

No one has to go into detail about all those powerful, layered, and interesting characters because we've already done that. We just get to enjoy the ride.

[SpiderLover]

Well I think of it much like they did the Ninja Turtles movie. They give each character a time to shine and bring something to the table that embodies them individually. Then the big fight at the end, they will defeat the character at the end together. Unless of course they themselves are fighting an evil team and thus they will fight each member of the team individually.

[Navarre]

I think the movie would do better with a main villain and not an entire villain team. They too would take time to be developed and that limits the movie.

They could have a team with Abomination, Whiplash, Loki, et al but that seems too forced. Minions don't count.

So I hope they fight Loki and keep closer to the origin of the Avengers.

[Gaumer]

Not if it was a team of skrulls...

[greyman24]

Yeah, the alternative to the evil team thing would be a large-scale, aggregated assault. A small evil team would require character development of the members of that team.

As far as microscopically looking at the characters, I'm not sure why that would be needed. I mean, all of them will have already had their origins covered in other movies (with the exception of Hawkeye), so they would just have to do a quick introduction before getting into it.

[Blackthunder01]

Here's a story that I liked.  Bruce Baner, in an attempt to gain greater controll over the Hulk, seeks out the help of the brilliant Dr. Doom who promises results.  While "helping" Bruce, he actually implants a controll device in him, making the Hulk his tank in a war against the heroes of America.  They fight and eventually set the Hulk free .. in the end the mind controll device actually did give Banner controll of the Hulk (after being damaged) and he turns on Doom. 

[Navarre]

I continue to wonder if Hulk will be the supposed foe but is actually a dupe from the real villain (Loki?) until helping the Avengers at the end. Seems a plausible plot. They don't need to build villains because they would already have Hulk to pick on.

[Gaumer]

I'd like to see SHILED more involved as THE thing in the universe that keeps stuff going.

The President OTUS and other world leaders have been replaced by skrulls and the Avengers kick some ass.


I don't really like the idea of using a villain they have already used or even introducing a new villain character at all. The skrulls as a group is specific enough to keep the fans happy but tons of back story and info about the character isn't required.

[Slappy]

So far I like what they have been doing with the "Avengers" movies.  As long as this continues I am sure I will be happy with the product.
Unlike other fanboys, I will not have a hissy fit if some liberties are taken.  The important thing to me is that the story is good and that the world and characters rules remain consistent.

[greyman24]

Here's a story that I liked.  Bruce Baner, in an attempt to gain greater controll over the Hulk, seeks out the help of the brilliant Dr. Doom who promises results.  While "helping" Bruce, he actually implants a controll device in him, making the Hulk his tank in a war against the heroes of America.  They fight and eventually set the Hulk free .. in the end the mind controll device actually did give Banner controll of the Hulk (after being damaged) and he turns on Doom. 

Doom would be tough to use. He's tied up in the FF movies.

[SpiderLover]

Are they even doing another FF movie? I mean I didn't think they would be or atleast it would be recast as Cappy is Chris Evans now.

[Blackthunder01]

Here's a story that I liked.  Bruce Baner, in an attempt to gain greater controll over the Hulk, seeks out the help of the brilliant Dr. Doom who promises results.  While "helping" Bruce, he actually implants a controll device in him, making the Hulk his tank in a war against the heroes of America.  They fight and eventually set the Hulk free .. in the end the mind controll device actually did give Banner controll of the Hulk (after being damaged) and he turns on Doom. 

Doom would be tough to use. He's tied up in the FF movies.

Yeah i guess he would be tough since Marvel is planning on rebooting: Fantastic Four, Blade, Spiderman, Xmen, Daredevil, and well ... everything they've made except for Hulk (who already had a reboot) and Ironman.

[Gaumer]

I've heard the same things but

Is it Marvel doing those reboots or is Sony still holding on to those licenses and doing their own thing?

FF needs a reboot. I'd like to see some Moleman stuff plz.

Blade is still awesome. Ok, Blade 1 is still awesome.

I won't speak to Spidey. Rebooting that turd is a gimme

Can we call an X-Men First Class movie a reboot? I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Daredevil Directors cut was really good but I'd like to see less Kingpin and more of The Hand.

[greyman24]

Last I heard, Marvel studios still doesn't own the license on FF or Spidey. They would either have to buy them (possible, but VERY costly) or the license would have to lapse for Fox (for FF) and Sony (Spidey).

Sony's still holding Spider-Man, and they're doing the reboot which means they'll be able to hold onto it for even longer.

FF: Silver Surfer came out in 2007. Not sure of the details of Fox's license, but Constantin Film (the company that originally bought the rights to FF) had them for 6 years (1986-1992). If the same holds true for Fox, the earliest Marvel could put out their own version or cross-over any of the characters from those films (Doom, Silver Surfer, etc.) would be 2013.