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	<title>Comments on: On the Next Major Spoilers Podcast: JSA: The Golden Age</title>
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		<title>By: Dr. Bolty</title>
		<link>http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/6409.htm/#comment-82519</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Bolty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It wasn&#039;t fear of Hitler, it was fear of a Nazi supervillain who could negate their powers and leave them vulnerable to death by bullet or bayonet. Also, Spectre was absent from the story; Elseworlds and all applying, he, Wonder Woman, and Dr. Fate may have been kept out deliberately to keep the story more grounded in reality, history, and humanity. 

Anyway, I re-read Golden Age recently and found that it was a pretty bad story on closer analysis. The whole plot is driven by coincidence, only slightly abetted by the years-long timeframe of the story; but while a case can be made for Manhunter and Fatman meeting in a tavern, or Miss America reading Thompson&#039;s diary at the right time, or Thompson/Ultra-Humanite keeping a diary filled with crippling secrets to begin with, or Hawkman taking up an interest in performing (not undergoing, PERFORMING, undergoing it made sense in the context) hypnotic regression - it is damn near impossible to excuse Alan Scott JUST HAPPENING to be testifying before the HUAC the exact day of the big battle. 

I felt like Robinson was writing backwards; he wanted to show the Golden Age superheroes fighting a super-powered Hitler, then worked out all the finicky details that would lead to that event. Everything along the way seemed like a frantic attempt to cram in cool moments featuring all of the major heroes. The characters themselves were all portrayed in intriguing ways, but much of it felt pointless once the whole thing devolved into a massive brawl - a good brawl, mind you, but one that made all of the cool character sketches feel like decoration. Captain Triumph is the only hero that I felt had a complete, interesting character arc; Johnny Quick and Atom came close, although Atom felt a little forced down the stretch. 

Golden Age was one of those stories that I really wanted to love, but it falls flat on the basis of contrived (I don&#039;t want to say lazy, I think Robinson was just broke for ideas on how to move the plot forward) plotting and weirdly incomplete characterization. Robinson in general seems to be a great first read, poor re-read for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wasn&#8217;t fear of Hitler, it was fear of a Nazi supervillain who could negate their powers and leave them vulnerable to death by bullet or bayonet. Also, Spectre was absent from the story; Elseworlds and all applying, he, Wonder Woman, and Dr. Fate may have been kept out deliberately to keep the story more grounded in reality, history, and humanity. </p>
<p>Anyway, I re-read Golden Age recently and found that it was a pretty bad story on closer analysis. The whole plot is driven by coincidence, only slightly abetted by the years-long timeframe of the story; but while a case can be made for Manhunter and Fatman meeting in a tavern, or Miss America reading Thompson&#8217;s diary at the right time, or Thompson/Ultra-Humanite keeping a diary filled with crippling secrets to begin with, or Hawkman taking up an interest in performing (not undergoing, PERFORMING, undergoing it made sense in the context) hypnotic regression &#8211; it is damn near impossible to excuse Alan Scott JUST HAPPENING to be testifying before the HUAC the exact day of the big battle. </p>
<p>I felt like Robinson was writing backwards; he wanted to show the Golden Age superheroes fighting a super-powered Hitler, then worked out all the finicky details that would lead to that event. Everything along the way seemed like a frantic attempt to cram in cool moments featuring all of the major heroes. The characters themselves were all portrayed in intriguing ways, but much of it felt pointless once the whole thing devolved into a massive brawl &#8211; a good brawl, mind you, but one that made all of the cool character sketches feel like decoration. Captain Triumph is the only hero that I felt had a complete, interesting character arc; Johnny Quick and Atom came close, although Atom felt a little forced down the stretch. </p>
<p>Golden Age was one of those stories that I really wanted to love, but it falls flat on the basis of contrived (I don&#8217;t want to say lazy, I think Robinson was just broke for ideas on how to move the plot forward) plotting and weirdly incomplete characterization. Robinson in general seems to be a great first read, poor re-read for me.</p>
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		<title>By: ykw</title>
		<link>http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/6409.htm/#comment-82402</link>
		<dc:creator>ykw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I loved this story. As for the comment in the quote about the &#039;greatest generation&#039; falling for homegrown fascism, does the writer not remember Joe McCarthy?&quot;

Or, for that matter, McCarthy&#039;s fellow &quot;Progressive&quot;, FDR? &quot;Can&#039;t happen here&quot;? Happened. Over and over. Started with Teddy Roosevelt and keeps happening to this very day. Both parties. Some elections (like this one), both parties actively compete with one another to see which can be the MOST Fascist (e.g., that horrible &quot;national service&quot; forum).

TGA fell into the same cliched trap that befell NEW FRONTIER: an anxious compulsion to portray the creator&#039;s politics as the epitome of all that is good and pure while deriding anyone who veers away in even the slightest respect as wicked and irredeemable. In other words, supposedly anti-Fascist works became the very model of actual Fascism.

Plus there was all that ickiness about the JSAers faking the Spear Of Destiny stories to cover up their paralysis in the face of the Nazi terror. As if fear of Hitler alone would have kept the Spectre from turning him into tapioca the first chance he got.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I loved this story. As for the comment in the quote about the &#8216;greatest generation&#8217; falling for homegrown fascism, does the writer not remember Joe McCarthy?&#8221;</p>
<p>Or, for that matter, McCarthy&#8217;s fellow &#8220;Progressive&#8221;, FDR? &#8220;Can&#8217;t happen here&#8221;? Happened. Over and over. Started with Teddy Roosevelt and keeps happening to this very day. Both parties. Some elections (like this one), both parties actively compete with one another to see which can be the MOST Fascist (e.g., that horrible &#8220;national service&#8221; forum).</p>
<p>TGA fell into the same cliched trap that befell NEW FRONTIER: an anxious compulsion to portray the creator&#8217;s politics as the epitome of all that is good and pure while deriding anyone who veers away in even the slightest respect as wicked and irredeemable. In other words, supposedly anti-Fascist works became the very model of actual Fascism.</p>
<p>Plus there was all that ickiness about the JSAers faking the Spear Of Destiny stories to cover up their paralysis in the face of the Nazi terror. As if fear of Hitler alone would have kept the Spectre from turning him into tapioca the first chance he got.</p>
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		<title>By: Cart</title>
		<link>http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/6409.htm/#comment-82331</link>
		<dc:creator>Cart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had picked up the first issue when it was originally published, and believe it or not, never was able to find the trade to complete the story until last week. It really is an outstanding story.  It captured the feeling of an &quot;event&quot; book moreso then most of the story lines that get passed off as such these days. One thing that struck me is that it would seem to meld in nicely with New Frontier, almost as if the 2 could act as bookends to transation the DCU from what it was to what it became.  Excellent read, VERY highly recommended.  Thanks for spotlighting it, as I really do feel that it gets shorted a lot. (Probably because at the time it came out not many readers knew much about the JSA, and without any of the big 3 in the book, it was probably a low seller.) And Craig, McCarthy was in the story as the person who took up the &quot;cause&quot; later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had picked up the first issue when it was originally published, and believe it or not, never was able to find the trade to complete the story until last week. It really is an outstanding story.  It captured the feeling of an &#8220;event&#8221; book moreso then most of the story lines that get passed off as such these days. One thing that struck me is that it would seem to meld in nicely with New Frontier, almost as if the 2 could act as bookends to transation the DCU from what it was to what it became.  Excellent read, VERY highly recommended.  Thanks for spotlighting it, as I really do feel that it gets shorted a lot. (Probably because at the time it came out not many readers knew much about the JSA, and without any of the big 3 in the book, it was probably a low seller.) And Craig, McCarthy was in the story as the person who took up the &#8220;cause&#8221; later.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott C.</title>
		<link>http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/6409.htm/#comment-82330</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion this is Robinson&#039;s and Smith&#039;s greatest work. I collected most of the All Star Squadron series I read this before Watchmen so, I really didn&#039;t have the comparison that publisher&#039;s weekly had.  Reading that review I see the similarity between the failures of the early heroes in Watchmen but I feel they diverge after that. Watchmen’s golden age plays a pivotal part of the storyline but Golden Age stays within that timeframe growing upon it. Dr. Manhattan is Watchmen’s sole superpower being whereas the Golden Age had tons of them. More importantly while in Watchmen the heroes try to find a new way to be heroes the Golden Age heroes fight with the same heroism they always had overcoming any short failings to defeat the villain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion this is Robinson&#8217;s and Smith&#8217;s greatest work. I collected most of the All Star Squadron series I read this before Watchmen so, I really didn&#8217;t have the comparison that publisher&#8217;s weekly had.  Reading that review I see the similarity between the failures of the early heroes in Watchmen but I feel they diverge after that. Watchmen’s golden age plays a pivotal part of the storyline but Golden Age stays within that timeframe growing upon it. Dr. Manhattan is Watchmen’s sole superpower being whereas the Golden Age had tons of them. More importantly while in Watchmen the heroes try to find a new way to be heroes the Golden Age heroes fight with the same heroism they always had overcoming any short failings to defeat the villain.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig M.</title>
		<link>http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/6409.htm/#comment-82302</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved this story.  As for the comment in the quote about the &quot;greatest generation&quot; falling for homegrown fascism, does the writer not remember Joe McCarthy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved this story.  As for the comment in the quote about the &#8220;greatest generation&#8221; falling for homegrown fascism, does the writer not remember Joe McCarthy?</p>
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		<title>By: Josh P.</title>
		<link>http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/6409.htm/#comment-82296</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 23:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This made me fall in love with the golden age DC characters.  If not for this, I would probably not have picked up Sandman Mystery Theatre or Starman, or searched for back issues of All-Star Squadron and Infinity, Inc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This made me fall in love with the golden age DC characters.  If not for this, I would probably not have picked up Sandman Mystery Theatre or Starman, or searched for back issues of All-Star Squadron and Infinity, Inc.</p>
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