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		<title>By: Brother129</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brother129</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 02:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it would be really cool if you continue to let us know which titles have the higher price.  I'm editing my pull list all of the time and I've found myself depending on this site to help me steer clear of the garbage.  But I think I can honestly say that if comics went digital, I'd probably stop reading most of them.  Some of us stare at a computer screen too long everyday already....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it would be really cool if you continue to let us know which titles have the higher price.  I&#8217;m editing my pull list all of the time and I&#8217;ve found myself depending on this site to help me steer clear of the garbage.  But I think I can honestly say that if comics went digital, I&#8217;d probably stop reading most of them.  Some of us stare at a computer screen too long everyday already&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: james deckert</title>
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		<dc:creator>james deckert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony is DC and Marvel titles have recently (last 7 years approx) been as high as all other comics. There was a day when DC and Marvel were cheaper than independents. The big 2 print in higher quantities which reduces their cost per issue. They have more advertising which further reduces their costs. And they make residual income off characters from film/tv/action figs/etc. I think that DC and Marvel have the high prices because they can, not because of the cost of paper, printing, shipping. Marvel was selling its Masterworks HC books for $35 until they noticed that DC was getting $50 for their Archives. Marvel then changed the price from $35 to $50 (a 43% increase). Many other companies have since jumped on board with $50 books. 

They may be paying Alex Ross and Adam Hughes too much also. 

There are two ways to increase income. Raise prices and lower prices. Higher prices increase income, unless there is a corresponding drop in readership. Lower prices reduce the income, unless it is followed by an increase in readership. Of course the crux is "what will the corresponding drop or increase" be. If it's more work for the same money, then it'll likely not happen.

This is the same quandary politicians are endlessly debating about how to raise government income, do we raise or lower taxes?

For those that think TPs are cheaper than floppies, it's rarely true. I can most of the time look at the MSRP of a trade and divide by $3 to determine the number of issues contained within. Some TPs are a few dollars cheaper, but only by 10% or so of the cost of floppies. Some are even a couple of dollars more expensive than the originals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony is DC and Marvel titles have recently (last 7 years approx) been as high as all other comics. There was a day when DC and Marvel were cheaper than independents. The big 2 print in higher quantities which reduces their cost per issue. They have more advertising which further reduces their costs. And they make residual income off characters from film/tv/action figs/etc. I think that DC and Marvel have the high prices because they can, not because of the cost of paper, printing, shipping. Marvel was selling its Masterworks HC books for $35 until they noticed that DC was getting $50 for their Archives. Marvel then changed the price from $35 to $50 (a 43% increase). Many other companies have since jumped on board with $50 books. </p>
<p>They may be paying Alex Ross and Adam Hughes too much also. </p>
<p>There are two ways to increase income. Raise prices and lower prices. Higher prices increase income, unless there is a corresponding drop in readership. Lower prices reduce the income, unless it is followed by an increase in readership. Of course the crux is &#8220;what will the corresponding drop or increase&#8221; be. If it&#8217;s more work for the same money, then it&#8217;ll likely not happen.</p>
<p>This is the same quandary politicians are endlessly debating about how to raise government income, do we raise or lower taxes?</p>
<p>For those that think TPs are cheaper than floppies, it&#8217;s rarely true. I can most of the time look at the MSRP of a trade and divide by $3 to determine the number of issues contained within. Some TPs are a few dollars cheaper, but only by 10% or so of the cost of floppies. Some are even a couple of dollars more expensive than the originals.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2494.htm/#comment-42387</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I'm very strapped. I try to spend no more than $30/month. DYNAMO 5. Good book. But at $3.50, I said, no thanks. I found issues 2-5 at a Half Price Books store for $1.50-$2 an issue. I enjoyed it and didn't feel like I had overspent. In fact, I'm finding that I'm catching up on several series by shopping there and getting good comics for half the cost (bagged and boarded, noless!!) And I even find trades and hardcovers there too. But regardless of that, if you wait for the trade you usually save yourself some money and you get everything nicely bound in a bookshelf-compatible package that's easy to pull out and read. Online stores have huge discounts and free shipping if you spend enough money, which is easy to do. In fact, I try to save about $50 and hit InStockTrades.com to pick up some good books. And I love my LCS, but ultimately, I have to spend my money as wisely as I can. It wasn't that long ago we were at $2.25. If they're going over $3, I'll cut my monthlies to two books (DAREDEVIL and CAP) or I may go all trades. Honestly, there's enough trade material coming out nowadays that I don't see how you could possibly miss the weekly routine. But for me, at $3 an issue, I'm done. They need to find a way to lower the price, IMO. Offer online downloads. Have a competitor to Diamond step in. Lower the paper quality (not newsprint, but don't use the glossy paper in EVERY book).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m very strapped. I try to spend no more than $30/month. DYNAMO 5. Good book. But at $3.50, I said, no thanks. I found issues 2-5 at a Half Price Books store for $1.50-$2 an issue. I enjoyed it and didn&#8217;t feel like I had overspent. In fact, I&#8217;m finding that I&#8217;m catching up on several series by shopping there and getting good comics for half the cost (bagged and boarded, noless!!) And I even find trades and hardcovers there too. But regardless of that, if you wait for the trade you usually save yourself some money and you get everything nicely bound in a bookshelf-compatible package that&#8217;s easy to pull out and read. Online stores have huge discounts and free shipping if you spend enough money, which is easy to do. In fact, I try to save about $50 and hit InStockTrades.com to pick up some good books. And I love my LCS, but ultimately, I have to spend my money as wisely as I can. It wasn&#8217;t that long ago we were at $2.25. If they&#8217;re going over $3, I&#8217;ll cut my monthlies to two books (DAREDEVIL and CAP) or I may go all trades. Honestly, there&#8217;s enough trade material coming out nowadays that I don&#8217;t see how you could possibly miss the weekly routine. But for me, at $3 an issue, I&#8217;m done. They need to find a way to lower the price, IMO. Offer online downloads. Have a competitor to Diamond step in. Lower the paper quality (not newsprint, but don&#8217;t use the glossy paper in EVERY book).</p>
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		<title>By: Mark I.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark I.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One wonders if the suits in charge of the big 2 even care about the print comics end of things anymore outside of maintaining copyright and coming up with new story ideas that they can make movies, video games, and DVDs about.  Avi Arad seems so hell-bent on making the entire Marvel Universe a self-sustaining movie property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One wonders if the suits in charge of the big 2 even care about the print comics end of things anymore outside of maintaining copyright and coming up with new story ideas that they can make movies, video games, and DVDs about.  Avi Arad seems so hell-bent on making the entire Marvel Universe a self-sustaining movie property.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Schleicher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Schleicher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J'osh: There is a tablet like reader, it's called the Sony Reader http://products.sel.sony.com/pa/prs/index.html.  It's a very cool device for reading multiple books at a time.  The only problem? At this time eInk is only black and white - great for manga titles (which I've read on the Reader), sucky for regular comics. 

The other problem with tablet readers is what happens to those double or triple splash pages?  Electronic readers are only one page at a time.  (sigh).

Stephen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J&#8217;osh: There is a tablet like reader, it&#8217;s called the Sony Reader <a href="http://products.sel.sony.com/pa/prs/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://products.sel.sony.com/pa/prs/index.html</a>.  It&#8217;s a very cool device for reading multiple books at a time.  The only problem? At this time eInk is only black and white - great for manga titles (which I&#8217;ve read on the Reader), sucky for regular comics. </p>
<p>The other problem with tablet readers is what happens to those double or triple splash pages?  Electronic readers are only one page at a time.  (sigh).</p>
<p>Stephen</p>
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		<title>By: J'osh</title>
		<link>http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2494.htm/#comment-42260</link>
		<dc:creator>J'osh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I know that every issue of New Avengers sold at your local supermarket or Borders are regular cover priced at $3.99.  Same stories.  I'm not sure what other titles have the same pricing scheme. 

I get %30 off at my LCS to that helps with things like this.  Boy gone are the days that $10 got me like 9 books plus a couple out of the quarter bin.

Both Marvel and Dc had better seriously consider some type of digital distribution approach. Because though it may not work for many longtime readers the torrenting of comics is widespread and common. Hell I pull a lot of titles and torrent many more.  Most times I later buy the trade (honest).  But their missing the boat if they don't find a way to go with the flow.  Kids and Teens do everything on their computers.

The ultimate goal would be some type of almost Star Trek like tablet reader, the iPod of digital periodicals if you will.  Go to iTunes DL NA, Iron Fist and Batman for like .99. But to make anything like that happen it would have to be a "team-up". It could have multiple benefits maybe even buy your issues of Time Magazine this way.  Really pump the value up, it can't just be a comic reader it needs to be able to support all kinds of Magazines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I know that every issue of New Avengers sold at your local supermarket or Borders are regular cover priced at $3.99.  Same stories.  I&#8217;m not sure what other titles have the same pricing scheme. </p>
<p>I get %30 off at my LCS to that helps with things like this.  Boy gone are the days that $10 got me like 9 books plus a couple out of the quarter bin.</p>
<p>Both Marvel and Dc had better seriously consider some type of digital distribution approach. Because though it may not work for many longtime readers the torrenting of comics is widespread and common. Hell I pull a lot of titles and torrent many more.  Most times I later buy the trade (honest).  But their missing the boat if they don&#8217;t find a way to go with the flow.  Kids and Teens do everything on their computers.</p>
<p>The ultimate goal would be some type of almost Star Trek like tablet reader, the iPod of digital periodicals if you will.  Go to iTunes DL NA, Iron Fist and Batman for like .99. But to make anything like that happen it would have to be a &#8220;team-up&#8221;. It could have multiple benefits maybe even buy your issues of Time Magazine this way.  Really pump the value up, it can&#8217;t just be a comic reader it needs to be able to support all kinds of Magazines.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon a.k.a doubledumbassonyou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon a.k.a doubledumbassonyou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 03:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disheartening is the word that comes to mind.  I try and keep my purchases at $15.00/wk but that's not always possible (like this week with Iron Fist #9 &#38; Iron Fist Annual dropping), so I occasionally spike into that $25.00 range.  I cut my titles back right after Civil War and it's looking like I'll be dropping again.  It's sad because there are certain creative teams that I really want to support, but with rising prices that's going to be harder to justify on a weekly basis.  Maybe we should have a thread here to communally trim down our pull lists?  It will certainly be a challenge for some us, but it looks like it's going to have to be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disheartening is the word that comes to mind.  I try and keep my purchases at $15.00/wk but that&#8217;s not always possible (like this week with Iron Fist #9 &amp; Iron Fist Annual dropping), so I occasionally spike into that $25.00 range.  I cut my titles back right after Civil War and it&#8217;s looking like I&#8217;ll be dropping again.  It&#8217;s sad because there are certain creative teams that I really want to support, but with rising prices that&#8217;s going to be harder to justify on a weekly basis.  Maybe we should have a thread here to communally trim down our pull lists?  It will certainly be a challenge for some us, but it looks like it&#8217;s going to have to be done.</p>
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		<title>By: OS Perry</title>
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		<dc:creator>OS Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 02:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Kir Warren.  

I was curious about the Japanese Magna/comics market, because it is such a widespread thing over in Japan, I'd heard.  Like you said, instead of people reading the paper or a novel on the train to work, they read comics.  So I was wondering with it being so wide spread, if it affected the price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Kir Warren.  </p>
<p>I was curious about the Japanese Magna/comics market, because it is such a widespread thing over in Japan, I&#8217;d heard.  Like you said, instead of people reading the paper or a novel on the train to work, they read comics.  So I was wondering with it being so wide spread, if it affected the price.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim Perry:  In regards to manga, prices vary.  It's an entirely different industry over there and on the whole, similar in pricing to the manga released over here.  The difference is many books are syndicated weekly in books like Shonen- (young males), Seinen-(men) and  Shojo(young females) Jump and Raijin (adult males) as well as other various types of magazines for different targets.  They can buy the magazine for anywhere from $5-10 depending on the brand or type of magazine.  Some can be more expensive or less.   

Some also follow the monthly format, but most are black and white still and cost roughly the same or comparable to ours, some cheaper some more expensive depending on popularity.  Thats not to say none are colour and most of the series have random coloured pages or chapters every once ina  while.  

The industry is quite huge as well and much more diverse than the North American or even Europe markets.  It is not uncommon to see many adults reading manga on the way to work and it is an accepted part of Japanese lifestyle.  Most books are collected in the smaller sized digest format that most manga and even Spider-Girl and Runaways have been released as in North America.  These are typically cheap and about $10.  

The manga industry is an entirely different beast compared to our comics and do not let the stuff that makes it out over here fool you into thinking it's all DBZ or Naruto or Pokemon.  Those are just a drop in the bucket from the more children to early teen genres and barely scratch the surface of the manga genres.  You can find crime stories, dramas, teen love, mysteries, historical or samurai style books and many of these are drawn in a much different style than the "big eye" stuff most people associate with manga.

On top of that, there is the amateur dojinshi books that are put out by aspiring mangaka and are all self published.  Another neat fact is that a lot of manga are written and pencilled / inked by the same person and many of the mangaka put out multiple books a month compared to the work load of the average american comic artists.  Many of the manga are treated like literature books over here and are optioned for movies far more often than our comics are and many are adapted for live action dramas or even radio plays.   

Hope that helped with your understanding of manga.  Most have no idea what it is aside from what they see on television or know from anime's that air on US television.  

Kirk Warren
The Weekly Crisis
www.weeklycrisis.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Perry:  In regards to manga, prices vary.  It&#8217;s an entirely different industry over there and on the whole, similar in pricing to the manga released over here.  The difference is many books are syndicated weekly in books like Shonen- (young males), Seinen-(men) and  Shojo(young females) Jump and Raijin (adult males) as well as other various types of magazines for different targets.  They can buy the magazine for anywhere from $5-10 depending on the brand or type of magazine.  Some can be more expensive or less.   </p>
<p>Some also follow the monthly format, but most are black and white still and cost roughly the same or comparable to ours, some cheaper some more expensive depending on popularity.  Thats not to say none are colour and most of the series have random coloured pages or chapters every once ina  while.  </p>
<p>The industry is quite huge as well and much more diverse than the North American or even Europe markets.  It is not uncommon to see many adults reading manga on the way to work and it is an accepted part of Japanese lifestyle.  Most books are collected in the smaller sized digest format that most manga and even Spider-Girl and Runaways have been released as in North America.  These are typically cheap and about $10.  </p>
<p>The manga industry is an entirely different beast compared to our comics and do not let the stuff that makes it out over here fool you into thinking it&#8217;s all DBZ or Naruto or Pokemon.  Those are just a drop in the bucket from the more children to early teen genres and barely scratch the surface of the manga genres.  You can find crime stories, dramas, teen love, mysteries, historical or samurai style books and many of these are drawn in a much different style than the &#8220;big eye&#8221; stuff most people associate with manga.</p>
<p>On top of that, there is the amateur dojinshi books that are put out by aspiring mangaka and are all self published.  Another neat fact is that a lot of manga are written and pencilled / inked by the same person and many of the mangaka put out multiple books a month compared to the work load of the average american comic artists.  Many of the manga are treated like literature books over here and are optioned for movies far more often than our comics are and many are adapted for live action dramas or even radio plays.   </p>
<p>Hope that helped with your understanding of manga.  Most have no idea what it is aside from what they see on television or know from anime&#8217;s that air on US television.  </p>
<p>Kirk Warren<br />
The Weekly Crisis<br />
<a href="http://www.weeklycrisis.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.weeklycrisis.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try living in Australia where it is already between $6 - 7 for most floppies! As a result I mainly shop on line now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try living in Australia where it is already between $6 - 7 for most floppies! As a result I mainly shop on line now.</p>
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