Comments on: Avengers: The Initiative #6 http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/ We Know You Love Comics. We Do Too. Fri, 09 Jan 2009 04:56:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Baal http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/comment-page-1/#comment-42501 Baal Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:49:11 +0000 http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/#comment-42501 I'd like to point out that Slapstick could have easily have killed Gauntlet if he'd wanted to. What he did was wrong but it falls into his established character. As Slapstick Steve(?) is impulse run wild and his impulse was to hurt Gauntlet physically as much as Gauntlet hurt him emotionally. Plus, since there is no consequence really to Slapstick from his actions so it makes sense he would not conisder the consequences of his actions in heated moments. It's a logical step for the character and I look forward to see where Slapstick is taken from this point on. Will he act worse? Was this a one off? Only Dan Slott knows and he's one of the greats writing right now so I'm excited about what will come out of his mind next! I’d like to point out that Slapstick could have easily have killed Gauntlet if he’d wanted to. What he did was wrong but it falls into his established character. As Slapstick Steve(?) is impulse run wild and his impulse was to hurt Gauntlet physically as much as Gauntlet hurt him emotionally. Plus, since there is no consequence really to Slapstick from his actions so it makes sense he would not conisder the consequences of his actions in heated moments. It’s a logical step for the character and I look forward to see where Slapstick is taken from this point on. Will he act worse? Was this a one off? Only Dan Slott knows and he’s one of the greats writing right now so I’m excited about what will come out of his mind next!

]]> By: Mark I. http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/comment-page-1/#comment-42373 Mark I. Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:54:36 +0000 http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/#comment-42373 davek, I feel ya, but if you look at who and what he is, Slapstick can be f***ing scary to deal with. Handled correctly, he could be one of the most powerful "deus ex machina" heroes in the Marvel Universe up there with Sentry. Conversely, if he was written properly he could be one of the most dangerous villains as well. davek, I feel ya, but if you look at who and what he is, Slapstick can be f***ing scary to deal with.

Handled correctly, he could be one of the most powerful “deus ex machina” heroes in the Marvel Universe up there with Sentry. Conversely, if he was written properly he could be one of the most dangerous villains as well.

]]> By: davek http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/comment-page-1/#comment-42366 davek Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:54:24 +0000 http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/#comment-42366 <i>I still think that Slapstick has gone way beyond the pale, and his actions are about as indefensible as Gauntlet’s.</i> Perhaps. But Slapstick is I'm assuming a minor, and Gauntlet is supposed to be a guiding force in making these kids <b>better</b>. Slapstick acted out like a sixteen-year-old would, after six months or so of brutal conditions, being physically pushed and emotionally whipped by a bullying drill instructor that has (as much as we've seen) not demonstated the other side of the coin in this sort of environment. I mean, the whole point of "The Initiative" is the supposition these kids are not mature or skilled enough to handle these sorts of powers and need to be trained correctly. Slapstick proved that to be case, in my opinion - it wasn't a mature response, not at all... but as a minor, I'm not surprised he did it in the slightest. I'm not excusing it, but I know why I happened and I would like to think someone in that sort of position as Stark/Pym/etc woulda kinda figured that would happen with this sort of continual tack. Aaaaand, in mind this demonstrates how crummy Gauntlet is, because he doesn't practice what he preaches. Granted, Slapstick bushwhacked him but I would like to think he had some sort of training in this scenario. If he can't handle a sixteen year old bushwhacking him, how can he really know how to train these kids against someone truly, truly dangerous? I still think that Slapstick has gone way beyond the pale, and his actions are about as indefensible as Gauntlet’s.

Perhaps. But Slapstick is I’m assuming a minor, and Gauntlet is supposed to be a guiding force in making these kids better. Slapstick acted out like a sixteen-year-old would, after six months or so of brutal conditions, being physically pushed and emotionally whipped by a bullying drill instructor that has (as much as we’ve seen) not demonstated the other side of the coin in this sort of environment.

I mean, the whole point of “The Initiative” is the supposition these kids are not mature or skilled enough to handle these sorts of powers and need to be trained correctly. Slapstick proved that to be case, in my opinion - it wasn’t a mature response, not at all… but as a minor, I’m not surprised he did it in the slightest. I’m not excusing it, but I know why I happened and I would like to think someone in that sort of position as Stark/Pym/etc woulda kinda figured that would happen with this sort of continual tack.

Aaaaand, in mind this demonstrates how crummy Gauntlet is, because he doesn’t practice what he preaches. Granted, Slapstick bushwhacked him but I would like to think he had some sort of training in this scenario. If he can’t handle a sixteen year old bushwhacking him, how can he really know how to train these kids against someone truly, truly dangerous?

]]> By: Jim http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/comment-page-1/#comment-42334 Jim Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:37:42 +0000 http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/#comment-42334 What is up with Gauntlet's mustache? Why is the middle part missing? It looks like he has a biohazard symbol around his mouth. What is up with Gauntlet’s mustache? Why is the middle part missing? It looks like he has a biohazard symbol around his mouth.

]]> By: Salieri http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/comment-page-1/#comment-42265 Salieri Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:41:03 +0000 http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/#comment-42265 Brother129: <i>She-Hulk</i> has shown that Gauntlet's daughter becomes the sidekick to the hero Southpaw when she grows up, taking the name 'Kid Glove'. Brother129: She-Hulk has shown that Gauntlet’s daughter becomes the sidekick to the hero Southpaw when she grows up, taking the name ‘Kid Glove’.

]]> By: Matthew Peterson http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/comment-page-1/#comment-42257 Matthew Peterson Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:10:17 +0000 http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/#comment-42257 <em>The kid’s been listening to this jerk bad mouth his dead friends constantly and forced to follow his commands. I’m surprised he was the first one to snap and do what needed to be done</em>. Mmm. Up to a point, I agree... I still think that Slapstick has gone way beyond the pale, and his actions are about as indefensible as Gauntlet's. <em>I think the review’s a little harsh. The art does detract significantly from the book this issue, but that last page with Slapstick is perfect in my opinion.</em> Slapstick is one of the characters that I've always had a soft spot for... As with any of my reviews, your milage may vary, and I don't expect every one to agree with me. Initiative is up and down my star ratings like a whore's drawers (TM John Constantine) every month, and this one just struck me really wrong... More than likely it's a continuation of the disrespect of the Warriors and a Gauntlet-heavy issue when he's just Sergeant Carter from Gomer Pyle with a potty mouth. Either way, we love to hear all opinions, even if you don't agree. :) The kid’s been listening to this jerk bad mouth his dead friends constantly and forced to follow his commands. I’m surprised he was the first one to snap and do what needed to be done.

Mmm. Up to a point, I agree… I still think that Slapstick has gone way beyond the pale, and his actions are about as indefensible as Gauntlet’s.

I think the review’s a little harsh. The art does detract significantly from the book this issue, but that last page with Slapstick is perfect in my opinion.

Slapstick is one of the characters that I’ve always had a soft spot for… As with any of my reviews, your milage may vary, and I don’t expect every one to agree with me. Initiative is up and down my star ratings like a whore’s drawers (TM John Constantine) every month, and this one just struck me really wrong… More than likely it’s a continuation of the disrespect of the Warriors and a Gauntlet-heavy issue when he’s just Sergeant Carter from Gomer Pyle with a potty mouth. Either way, we love to hear all opinions, even if you don’t agree. :)

]]> By: Rowan http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/comment-page-1/#comment-42256 Rowan Thu, 27 Sep 2007 04:42:05 +0000 http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/#comment-42256 I think slapstick being the one that snapped was awesome, it really took me off guard and I think that Gauntlet deserved it , yes he was only doing it because he is there Drill SGT but holy crap, has Gauntlet ever done anything ? I mean, I know the NWs have a lot but Gauntlet is a guy with a big ol Right Arm which impresses his daughter and no one else I think slapstick being the one that snapped was awesome, it really took me off guard and I think that Gauntlet deserved it , yes he was only doing it because he is there Drill SGT but holy crap, has Gauntlet ever done anything ? I mean, I know the NWs have a lot but Gauntlet is a guy with a big ol Right Arm which impresses his daughter and no one else

]]> By: Brent F. http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/comment-page-1/#comment-42220 Brent F. Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:56:44 +0000 http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/#comment-42220 *shrugs* Slapstick still looks like a hero to me. Gauntlet might as well have been a Nazi, every other word out of his mouth was filled with biggotry. Had Slapstick beaten a Naz or someone in a KKK robe would you think he was evil? The kid's been listening to this jerk bad mouth his dead friends constantly and forced to follow his commands. I'm surprised he was the first one to snap and do what needed to be done. *shrugs* Slapstick still looks like a hero to me. Gauntlet might as well have been a Nazi, every other word out of his mouth was filled with biggotry. Had Slapstick beaten a Naz or someone in a KKK robe would you think he was evil?

The kid’s been listening to this jerk bad mouth his dead friends constantly and forced to follow his commands. I’m surprised he was the first one to snap and do what needed to be done.

]]> By: Brother129 http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/comment-page-1/#comment-42197 Brother129 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:40:08 +0000 http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/#comment-42197 When is Little Bunny going to become a New Warrior? When is Little Bunny going to become a New Warrior?

]]> By: Tater Nuts http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/comment-page-1/#comment-42187 Tater Nuts Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:10:04 +0000 http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/#comment-42187 I agree completely with the review. This series gets on my nerves and Dan Slott's writing even wrose than the idea behind the fascist Initiative. And Rage is too awesome to be with these douchebags. I know he probably joined The Initiative because of Vance but I always pictured him with the new New Warriors. And trying to make Gauntlet relatable was just stupid. It was so manipulative I felt the strings. LAME! I agree completely with the review. This series gets on my nerves and Dan Slott’s writing even wrose than the idea behind the fascist Initiative.

And Rage is too awesome to be with these douchebags. I know he probably joined The Initiative because of Vance but I always pictured him with the new New Warriors.

And trying to make Gauntlet relatable was just stupid. It was so manipulative I felt the strings. LAME!

]]> By: Kirk Warren http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/comment-page-1/#comment-42177 Kirk Warren Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:19:50 +0000 http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/#comment-42177 I think the review's a little harsh. The art does detract significantly from the book this issue, but that last page with Slapstick is perfect in my opinion. I thought the book hit all the right notes, showed Gauntlet isn't the complete ass he appears to be in the earlier issues, built a bit of a mystery up and wrapped it all up nicely with a nice reveal at the end. The MPs were mostly looking into the attack on Gauntlet, not investigating Gyrich so I have no problem with their lack of a full base sweep or deep investigation. I thought it was a little sloppy sending them off wiht the half drugged / awake testimony of Gauntlet, but they did a fairly decent job and I wouldn't have expected them to find out all that much about the CSA's black ops stuff. I'd easily give this a 4 stars, maybe 3 for the horrible art, but it was definitely a good issue in my opinion. Kirk Warren The Weekly Crisis www.weeklycrisis.com I think the review’s a little harsh. The art does detract significantly from the book this issue, but that last page with Slapstick is perfect in my opinion. I thought the book hit all the right notes, showed Gauntlet isn’t the complete ass he appears to be in the earlier issues, built a bit of a mystery up and wrapped it all up nicely with a nice reveal at the end.

The MPs were mostly looking into the attack on Gauntlet, not investigating Gyrich so I have no problem with their lack of a full base sweep or deep investigation. I thought it was a little sloppy sending them off wiht the half drugged / awake testimony of Gauntlet, but they did a fairly decent job and I wouldn’t have expected them to find out all that much about the CSA’s black ops stuff.

I’d easily give this a 4 stars, maybe 3 for the horrible art, but it was definitely a good issue in my opinion.

Kirk Warren
The Weekly Crisis
http://www.weeklycrisis.com

]]> By: Stacy B. http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/comment-page-1/#comment-42166 Stacy B. Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:19:44 +0000 http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/#comment-42166 First, does anyone else have a problem with Gauntlets wife wearing a replica of an American flag as an apron? Agree with the art. If I want anime/manga looking art, I'll buy a manga book. I want good art, like was seen in the last issue. Rage losing his cool was an issue back when he was an Avenger, and combined with his age was part of the reason they removed him from the roster. I had the issues back in the day and remember the big reveal that he was only 12 or so. First, does anyone else have a problem with Gauntlets wife wearing a replica of an American flag as an apron?

Agree with the art. If I want anime/manga looking art, I’ll buy a manga book. I want good art, like was seen in the last issue.

Rage losing his cool was an issue back when he was an Avenger, and combined with his age was part of the reason they removed him from the roster. I had the issues back in the day and remember the big reveal that he was only 12 or so.

]]> By: Chaosbringer http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/comment-page-1/#comment-42154 Chaosbringer Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:00:46 +0000 http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/#comment-42154 Bought it, read it, didn't enjoy it as much as the last one. Not really having any idea who Slapstick was beforehand, the "psycho clown" thing is a pretty interesting angle, especially if they figure out a way to run with it. I still think trying to show us that Gauntlet's not all bad is a bit forced, unless he's going to come out of this and be nice or something... Somehow I keep envisioning him blaming New Warriors for this one, too. Or what about an entire ARMY of New Warriors getting in a lucky blow on the "Big Bunny"? Bought it, read it, didn’t enjoy it as much as the last one. Not really having any idea who Slapstick was beforehand, the “psycho clown” thing is a pretty interesting angle, especially if they figure out a way to run with it.

I still think trying to show us that Gauntlet’s not all bad is a bit forced, unless he’s going to come out of this and be nice or something… Somehow I keep envisioning him blaming New Warriors for this one, too. Or what about an entire ARMY of New Warriors getting in a lucky blow on the “Big Bunny”?

]]> By: Salieri http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/comment-page-1/#comment-42150 Salieri Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:47:47 +0000 http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/#comment-42150 My Pitch for Marvel: "The Curse of Stamford", or possibly "Baldwin Syndrome". Something, Someone is taking characters who are nice, funny, or generally just lighthearted and awakening their darker urges in the form of "Baldwin Syndrome". Unknowns such as Gauntlet or Hardball merely act horribly despite having good intentions, while people with known mental conditions such as Gyrich or Yellowjacket have the ugliest aspects of their problems severely increased. The curse is eventually found to be caused by, ta-dah, those 600 victims as well as the NW Ghosts. Honestly, it'd be a bestseller. That, or there's just some Earth-Alpha A-Hole who likes to hang out around Slott's stories... My Pitch for Marvel: “The Curse of Stamford”, or possibly “Baldwin Syndrome”. Something, Someone is taking characters who are nice, funny, or generally just lighthearted and awakening their darker urges in the form of “Baldwin Syndrome”. Unknowns such as Gauntlet or Hardball merely act horribly despite having good intentions, while people with known mental conditions such as Gyrich or Yellowjacket have the ugliest aspects of their problems severely increased. The curse is eventually found to be caused by, ta-dah, those 600 victims as well as the NW Ghosts. Honestly, it’d be a bestseller.

That, or there’s just some Earth-Alpha A-Hole who likes to hang out around Slott’s stories…

]]> By: quelonio http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/comment-page-1/#comment-42147 quelonio Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:21:32 +0000 http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2490.htm/#comment-42147 Slapstick is scary as only a clown can be. Slapstick is scary as only a clown can be.

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