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		<title>By: thegreenlama</title>
		<link>http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2426.htm/#comment-43190</link>
		<dc:creator>thegreenlama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>regardless of who will win in the end of the ish, they have to reveal who blew up sakaar and put the hulk on a collision course with earth in the first place - which means simply asking, who has the most to gain from the hulk laying waste to earth's most powerful heroes?  chin-ridges right?  also, since they're not going to canx the hulk, he needs to be redeemed for the thumbs down.  so here's my forecast for #5 - hulk and sentry fight and after pounding on each other, collateral damage and the inability to hurt each other gets old after a while so they pause, one of the warbound suddenly freaks out and demands the hulk kill sentry - sentry does his glow thing and reveals the skrull masking itself as one of the warbound.  hulk and sentry team-up, free the heroes, fight back the invasion...yadda yadda yadda.

bottom line:  marvel won't take the revenge storyline to it's ultimate conclusion, which is either, the wronged gets their revenge (which for the hulk clearly means the death of the illuminati) or the wronged learns to forgive and gets on with their life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>regardless of who will win in the end of the ish, they have to reveal who blew up sakaar and put the hulk on a collision course with earth in the first place - which means simply asking, who has the most to gain from the hulk laying waste to earth&#8217;s most powerful heroes?  chin-ridges right?  also, since they&#8217;re not going to canx the hulk, he needs to be redeemed for the thumbs down.  so here&#8217;s my forecast for #5 - hulk and sentry fight and after pounding on each other, collateral damage and the inability to hurt each other gets old after a while so they pause, one of the warbound suddenly freaks out and demands the hulk kill sentry - sentry does his glow thing and reveals the skrull masking itself as one of the warbound.  hulk and sentry team-up, free the heroes, fight back the invasion&#8230;yadda yadda yadda.</p>
<p>bottom line:  marvel won&#8217;t take the revenge storyline to it&#8217;s ultimate conclusion, which is either, the wronged gets their revenge (which for the hulk clearly means the death of the illuminati) or the wronged learns to forgive and gets on with their life.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven R. Stahl</title>
		<link>http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2426.htm/#comment-42606</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven R. Stahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WWH #4 is interesting, in that it’s an example of a story, nominally for teens and older readers, that’s actually a picture book.

There’s no point to the Strange/Hulk conflict (which WWH #3 was devoted to setting up). Strange could deal with the Hulk by transforming him, banishing him, or, if necessary, killing him. The Hulk, like Superman, has no innate resistance to magic. The plot, as such, is an example of a writer artificially constructing a way for Strange and Hulk to fight, as if he were a kid with two action figures. Hulk wins because he *has* to win, for the sake of the story, as is practically always the case with his “high as it needs to be” strength level.

The material with the Illuminati is hardly worth reading, since the Avengers/Defenders War invalidates the concept. Bendis and Reed have notably avoided the topic in the ILLUMINATI miniseries; I doubt that Brevoort or anyone else at Marvel could deal with the conflict without resorting to absurd contrivances. It’s apparent why Bendis liked the Illuminati concept, since it’s related to crime fiction, conspiracies, and secret councils with hidden agendas, but the concept is only valid for a superhero universe made to order for it.

The lack of actual story material is obvious in other issues, such as THOR #3, which exists solely to depict the conflict between Iron Man and Thor, and Stark’s humiliation. The plot material (New Orleans; the “diplomatic” solution to handling Asgard) seems to be aimed at preteens.

The storytelling, in the Marvel Heroes titles I see, has declined to the point that the professionalism (level of effort) of the people associated with the stories can seriously be questioned. A person could write at length about how unfavorable comparisons between the Marvel of the ‘70s and ‘80s and the current Marvel are. The “illusion of change” policy in force back then encouraged some shoddy plotting, but there were writers who wrote well, and even the shoddy stories actually were structured as, and functioned as, stories. Too many current Marvel issues are just glorified picture books; if one reads an issue for plot content, there’s hardly anything there.

Short of a massive change in Marvel’s editorial regime, I don’t see prospect for improvement in the situation. The writers have to be motivated to write stories, in the traditional storytelling sense) to do well, but the emphasis placed on aiming stories at new and short-term readers, and the employment of writers who don’t know the characters (screenwriters), or who don’t want to write superhero stories (Bendis is the prime example). . . Marvel could be described as an animated corpse who rarely speaks intelligibly and intelligently.

SRS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WWH #4 is interesting, in that it’s an example of a story, nominally for teens and older readers, that’s actually a picture book.</p>
<p>There’s no point to the Strange/Hulk conflict (which WWH #3 was devoted to setting up). Strange could deal with the Hulk by transforming him, banishing him, or, if necessary, killing him. The Hulk, like Superman, has no innate resistance to magic. The plot, as such, is an example of a writer artificially constructing a way for Strange and Hulk to fight, as if he were a kid with two action figures. Hulk wins because he *has* to win, for the sake of the story, as is practically always the case with his “high as it needs to be” strength level.</p>
<p>The material with the Illuminati is hardly worth reading, since the Avengers/Defenders War invalidates the concept. Bendis and Reed have notably avoided the topic in the ILLUMINATI miniseries; I doubt that Brevoort or anyone else at Marvel could deal with the conflict without resorting to absurd contrivances. It’s apparent why Bendis liked the Illuminati concept, since it’s related to crime fiction, conspiracies, and secret councils with hidden agendas, but the concept is only valid for a superhero universe made to order for it.</p>
<p>The lack of actual story material is obvious in other issues, such as THOR #3, which exists solely to depict the conflict between Iron Man and Thor, and Stark’s humiliation. The plot material (New Orleans; the “diplomatic” solution to handling Asgard) seems to be aimed at preteens.</p>
<p>The storytelling, in the Marvel Heroes titles I see, has declined to the point that the professionalism (level of effort) of the people associated with the stories can seriously be questioned. A person could write at length about how unfavorable comparisons between the Marvel of the ‘70s and ‘80s and the current Marvel are. The “illusion of change” policy in force back then encouraged some shoddy plotting, but there were writers who wrote well, and even the shoddy stories actually were structured as, and functioned as, stories. Too many current Marvel issues are just glorified picture books; if one reads an issue for plot content, there’s hardly anything there.</p>
<p>Short of a massive change in Marvel’s editorial regime, I don’t see prospect for improvement in the situation. The writers have to be motivated to write stories, in the traditional storytelling sense) to do well, but the emphasis placed on aiming stories at new and short-term readers, and the employment of writers who don’t know the characters (screenwriters), or who don’t want to write superhero stories (Bendis is the prime example). . . Marvel could be described as an animated corpse who rarely speaks intelligibly and intelligently.</p>
<p>SRS</p>
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		<title>By: BadBad</title>
		<link>http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2426.htm/#comment-42285</link>
		<dc:creator>BadBad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I in the minority when I say that this series is crap?  To believe the mary sue character Amadeus Cho, a reader has to accept the premise that Hulk is completely innocent throughout his entire non mind-controlled Hulk life.  

To believe this series, Hulk never injured or killed anyone because he subconsciously was a genius who knew how to throw tanks around in just the manner to disable equipment and not hurt anyone inside.  Hulk can break buildings but somehow know that it either won't be occupied or there is just enough room inside to protect anyone inside. Hulk is not only a super-genius but a super-AWARE genius.  This without even the excuse of Captain Marvel's Cosmic Awareness?

In the last issue of Civil War it was claimed that people were killed in the fight. It sounds like Captain America should have just asked the Hulk to help him and then noone would be hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I in the minority when I say that this series is crap?  To believe the mary sue character Amadeus Cho, a reader has to accept the premise that Hulk is completely innocent throughout his entire non mind-controlled Hulk life.  </p>
<p>To believe this series, Hulk never injured or killed anyone because he subconsciously was a genius who knew how to throw tanks around in just the manner to disable equipment and not hurt anyone inside.  Hulk can break buildings but somehow know that it either won&#8217;t be occupied or there is just enough room inside to protect anyone inside. Hulk is not only a super-genius but a super-AWARE genius.  This without even the excuse of Captain Marvel&#8217;s Cosmic Awareness?</p>
<p>In the last issue of Civil War it was claimed that people were killed in the fight. It sounds like Captain America should have just asked the Hulk to help him and then noone would be hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocket-man</title>
		<link>http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2426.htm/#comment-42061</link>
		<dc:creator>Rocket-man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thinkit was black bolt who killed the creature--and Kor of the stone men is not at the thindergods level--look at the issue again--thye pull out their most powerful war machine and thor totals it before knocking the crap out of a bunch of them. 

I get the warbound are supposed to be superhumanly strong etc---but I'm opposed to Sakaar being krypton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thinkit was black bolt who killed the creature&#8211;and Kor of the stone men is not at the thindergods level&#8211;look at the issue again&#8211;thye pull out their most powerful war machine and thor totals it before knocking the crap out of a bunch of them. </p>
<p>I get the warbound are supposed to be superhumanly strong etc&#8212;but I&#8217;m opposed to Sakaar being krypton.</p>
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		<title>By: jman</title>
		<link>http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2426.htm/#comment-41540</link>
		<dc:creator>jman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc Strange's power level has more ups and downs than an eleveator depending on the story. Well, in all fairness: for Doc Strange, if sombody was strong enough to squeeze both of my hands like twinkies in an astral pojection, I'd be in a shitload of pain and ala-kazamming ol' jade jaws would be the last thing on my mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc Strange&#8217;s power level has more ups and downs than an eleveator depending on the story. Well, in all fairness: for Doc Strange, if sombody was strong enough to squeeze both of my hands like twinkies in an astral pojection, I&#8217;d be in a shitload of pain and ala-kazamming ol&#8217; jade jaws would be the last thing on my mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Happenstance</title>
		<link>http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2426.htm/#comment-41269</link>
		<dc:creator>Happenstance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So "Silent War" is official continuity and occurs before WWH. Huh. I wish we knew what happened between that final black page and Hulk's moon landing...

Oh, I do hope the cheering crowd gets what's coming to them. If it were up to me, I'd send the Warbound off in their ship with all their adoring Earth-fans. The second these gits realized what Brood had in mind, they'd be screaming for the Illuminati and Co. to save them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So &#8220;Silent War&#8221; is official continuity and occurs before WWH. Huh. I wish we knew what happened between that final black page and Hulk&#8217;s moon landing&#8230;</p>
<p>Oh, I do hope the cheering crowd gets what&#8217;s coming to them. If it were up to me, I&#8217;d send the Warbound off in their ship with all their adoring Earth-fans. The second these gits realized what Brood had in mind, they&#8217;d be screaming for the Illuminati and Co. to save them.</p>
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		<title>By: Seeker</title>
		<link>http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2426.htm/#comment-40812</link>
		<dc:creator>Seeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 02:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disappointed with this issue.  For all the build up with Dr. Strange he went down way to easily.  In the past there have been accusations of the Hulk's opponents being dumbed down to play his game of fisticuffs.  That is what happened here.  
The trial was a joke.  The complaints against Reed and Stark make sense though I wonder what Bill Foster would think of his nephew having the two of them punished in this way. 
Black Bolt's accuser doesn't even care if he didn't give the order.
They had nothing on Strange so they made something up for this story.  Especially considering the chances of him actually risking unleashing something as dangerous as Zom makes no sense at all.
I don't see what the Sentry can do to the hulk thanks to his uberhealing factor.

Overall a disappointing issue to an increasingly disappointing series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disappointed with this issue.  For all the build up with Dr. Strange he went down way to easily.  In the past there have been accusations of the Hulk&#8217;s opponents being dumbed down to play his game of fisticuffs.  That is what happened here.<br />
The trial was a joke.  The complaints against Reed and Stark make sense though I wonder what Bill Foster would think of his nephew having the two of them punished in this way.<br />
Black Bolt&#8217;s accuser doesn&#8217;t even care if he didn&#8217;t give the order.<br />
They had nothing on Strange so they made something up for this story.  Especially considering the chances of him actually risking unleashing something as dangerous as Zom makes no sense at all.<br />
I don&#8217;t see what the Sentry can do to the hulk thanks to his uberhealing factor.</p>
<p>Overall a disappointing issue to an increasingly disappointing series.</p>
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		<title>By: Salieri</title>
		<link>http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2426.htm/#comment-40669</link>
		<dc:creator>Salieri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elloe doesn't really seem threatening to me because of her ridiculous name. I just keep thinking that the Warbound must greet her with cries of " 'Ello Elloe!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elloe doesn&#8217;t really seem threatening to me because of her ridiculous name. I just keep thinking that the Warbound must greet her with cries of &#8221; &#8216;Ello Elloe!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: SpiderPiers101</title>
		<link>http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2426.htm/#comment-40667</link>
		<dc:creator>SpiderPiers101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously this is a good series so far, but i think
A. Hulk is really Hulk and Sakarr did get blown up . or..
B. Hulk is a Skrull like Titanius in Marvel Team-Up. or ;….
C. Hulk is in alliance with the Skrulls or last but not least…
D. Hulk is hulk but the skrulls made the whole Sakarr thing up to get him pissed so he would kill the Illuminati.
Personally i think Reed Richards is a skrull.

Sorry the last one got mucked up so heres the actual one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously this is a good series so far, but i think<br />
A. Hulk is really Hulk and Sakarr did get blown up . or..<br />
B. Hulk is a Skrull like Titanius in Marvel Team-Up. or ;….<br />
C. Hulk is in alliance with the Skrulls or last but not least…<br />
D. Hulk is hulk but the skrulls made the whole Sakarr thing up to get him pissed so he would kill the Illuminati.<br />
Personally i think Reed Richards is a skrull.</p>
<p>Sorry the last one got mucked up so heres the actual one!</p>
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		<title>By: J'osh</title>
		<link>http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2426.htm/#comment-40621</link>
		<dc:creator>J'osh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 05:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've always felt the Sentry's weakness is his weaknesses.  Most Marvel characters thrive on their personal issues.  It defines them. But Sentry is a shadow of an ideal - Superman.  For some reason the Marvel formula can't be applied to him.  Superman is someone to look up to, when his type hides in a corner he's just a sissy.  I always felt that the Sentry should have been played as a guy with his powers who didn't want use them.  Truly play him as a regular guy, who just couldn't be bothered. Kinda like we would be - have his doubts slow him down but make them reasonable.  Imagine not knowing if your powers were gonna just stop. As a rationale person you would wonder hmm should I fly in space? What if this stuff stops working. Its still crappy but at least it makes sense.

Oh and this is all Meik's fault, somehow.  He's absent from the Warbound mini cover so something must happen to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always felt the Sentry&#8217;s weakness is his weaknesses.  Most Marvel characters thrive on their personal issues.  It defines them. But Sentry is a shadow of an ideal - Superman.  For some reason the Marvel formula can&#8217;t be applied to him.  Superman is someone to look up to, when his type hides in a corner he&#8217;s just a sissy.  I always felt that the Sentry should have been played as a guy with his powers who didn&#8217;t want use them.  Truly play him as a regular guy, who just couldn&#8217;t be bothered. Kinda like we would be - have his doubts slow him down but make them reasonable.  Imagine not knowing if your powers were gonna just stop. As a rationale person you would wonder hmm should I fly in space? What if this stuff stops working. Its still crappy but at least it makes sense.</p>
<p>Oh and this is all Meik&#8217;s fault, somehow.  He&#8217;s absent from the Warbound mini cover so something must happen to him.</p>
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