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		<title>By: Zeke</title>
		<link>http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2186.htm/#comment-41203</link>
		<dc:creator>Zeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 00:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm gonna take this opportunity to come back to something from the JLA #10 thread: where the hell were Wally and Linda?  Every new piece of information makes things more confusing.

&lt;i&gt;I remember Bart saying that Linda, Wally, and the kids were safe in the SPEED FORCE, which is also where Bart was when he grew up. I don’t recall there being any mention of the future.&lt;/i&gt;

Okay, it took me a while to get around to checking, but the answer is in between.  First of all, I was indeed out to lunch with the future thing -- I must have been thinking of Barry.  But I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that they were in the Speed Force either.  What Bart remembers in FLASH #6 is being "in &lt;b&gt;Keystone&lt;/b&gt;... on &lt;b&gt;another&lt;/b&gt; Earth... with &lt;b&gt;that&lt;/b&gt; world's &lt;b&gt;Jay Garrick&lt;/b&gt;."  Given the context (Infinite Crisis), my first thought was that he meant Earth-Two, where Jay is originally from.  However, it's Jay he's talking to, so this must have been some other alternate Earth.  The rest we know: Bart volunteered to go back, taking the Speed Force into himself and wearing Barry's uniform (which inexplicably looks like Wally's now).

The question now becomes what happened to Wally et al.  In 52 #1, Bart says they're fine, just "taking some time &lt;b&gt;away&lt;/b&gt;.  You should see how big the &lt;b&gt;twins&lt;/b&gt; are getting."  (That line's funny now, eh?)  But they couldn't still be on the alt-Earth of that flashback because the Earths were all merged again.  That suggests that they were on another planet, and FLASH #231 has now stated as much.  Regardless, nothing complicated was necessary to bring him back -- he could have come back any time.  So did the Legion's operation have anything to do with Wally's return, or was that some kind of Speed Force reaction to Bart's death?  (We know it wasn't their main goal, anyway.)

None of this makes any sense.  Why did Wally have his speed in the flashbacks in this issue?  What did his lines about "holding on" in JLA #10 mean?  What were Barry and &lt;i&gt;Max&lt;/i&gt; of all people doing on the alt-Earth?  When did Bart's rapid aging happen?  (The Wikipedia article says he spent four years on that alt-Earth, but that makes no sense; he goes back minutes after he arrives in that FLASH #6 sequence.)  It's a mess that strains even my discontinuity-rationalizing skills, and I'm a Trekkie.

I wish I could say the stories are worth it, but at this point, that's going to be a very hard sell for me.  I didn't want Bart to be the Flash, but all indications were that DC was going ahead with it, full steam.  So I did my part: I gave it a chance.  And just when it was really getting good, DC yells "Just kidding!", kills Bart, and expects us all to be happy about it?  It's &lt;i&gt;too late&lt;/i&gt; to just pick up where we left off -- and even if we do, we have no reason to think we won't just be suckered again.

I grew up with Wally West; I love Mark Waid's work on FLASH.  But under the circumstances, I'm not delighted to see &lt;i&gt;either&lt;/i&gt; of them back.

- Z</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m gonna take this opportunity to come back to something from the JLA #10 thread: where the hell were Wally and Linda?  Every new piece of information makes things more confusing.</p>
<p><i>I remember Bart saying that Linda, Wally, and the kids were safe in the SPEED FORCE, which is also where Bart was when he grew up. I don’t recall there being any mention of the future.</i></p>
<p>Okay, it took me a while to get around to checking, but the answer is in between.  First of all, I was indeed out to lunch with the future thing &#8212; I must have been thinking of Barry.  But I&#8217;m not sure where you&#8217;re getting the idea that they were in the Speed Force either.  What Bart remembers in FLASH #6 is being &#8220;in <b>Keystone</b>&#8230; on <b>another</b> Earth&#8230; with <b>that</b> world&#8217;s <b>Jay Garrick</b>.&#8221;  Given the context (Infinite Crisis), my first thought was that he meant Earth-Two, where Jay is originally from.  However, it&#8217;s Jay he&#8217;s talking to, so this must have been some other alternate Earth.  The rest we know: Bart volunteered to go back, taking the Speed Force into himself and wearing Barry&#8217;s uniform (which inexplicably looks like Wally&#8217;s now).</p>
<p>The question now becomes what happened to Wally et al.  In 52 #1, Bart says they&#8217;re fine, just &#8220;taking some time <b>away</b>.  You should see how big the <b>twins</b> are getting.&#8221;  (That line&#8217;s funny now, eh?)  But they couldn&#8217;t still be on the alt-Earth of that flashback because the Earths were all merged again.  That suggests that they were on another planet, and FLASH #231 has now stated as much.  Regardless, nothing complicated was necessary to bring him back &#8212; he could have come back any time.  So did the Legion&#8217;s operation have anything to do with Wally&#8217;s return, or was that some kind of Speed Force reaction to Bart&#8217;s death?  (We know it wasn&#8217;t their main goal, anyway.)</p>
<p>None of this makes any sense.  Why did Wally have his speed in the flashbacks in this issue?  What did his lines about &#8220;holding on&#8221; in JLA #10 mean?  What were Barry and <i>Max</i> of all people doing on the alt-Earth?  When did Bart&#8217;s rapid aging happen?  (The Wikipedia article says he spent four years on that alt-Earth, but that makes no sense; he goes back minutes after he arrives in that FLASH #6 sequence.)  It&#8217;s a mess that strains even my discontinuity-rationalizing skills, and I&#8217;m a Trekkie.</p>
<p>I wish I could say the stories are worth it, but at this point, that&#8217;s going to be a very hard sell for me.  I didn&#8217;t want Bart to be the Flash, but all indications were that DC was going ahead with it, full steam.  So I did my part: I gave it a chance.  And just when it was really getting good, DC yells &#8220;Just kidding!&#8221;, kills Bart, and expects us all to be happy about it?  It&#8217;s <i>too late</i> to just pick up where we left off &#8212; and even if we do, we have no reason to think we won&#8217;t just be suckered again.</p>
<p>I grew up with Wally West; I love Mark Waid&#8217;s work on FLASH.  But under the circumstances, I&#8217;m not delighted to see <i>either</i> of them back.</p>
<p>- Z</p>
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		<title>By: Brent F.</title>
		<link>http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2186.htm/#comment-35442</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the Kingdom Come universe Iris had a little brother named Barry who had no interest in the family business and spent all of his time playing video games and watching TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the Kingdom Come universe Iris had a little brother named Barry who had no interest in the family business and spent all of his time playing video games and watching TV.</p>
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		<title>By: Randallw</title>
		<link>http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2186.htm/#comment-35066</link>
		<dc:creator>Randallw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 03:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Super diaper changing. Superman eat your heart out. Well it makes more sense than super friction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Super diaper changing. Superman eat your heart out. Well it makes more sense than super friction.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark I.</title>
		<link>http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2186.htm/#comment-35065</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark I.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 03:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wild Speculation Time!  


Wally knows the future?  The Flash will die in an upcoming Crisis?

But the Legion pulled an EXTRA Flash out of the woodwork...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wild Speculation Time!  </p>
<p>Wally knows the future?  The Flash will die in an upcoming Crisis?</p>
<p>But the Legion pulled an EXTRA Flash out of the woodwork&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Stacy B.</title>
		<link>http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2186.htm/#comment-35032</link>
		<dc:creator>Stacy B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The review (havn't read the issue) reads like the story is sad, to me.
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"Instead of being a story about Wally or the kids, Flash #231 ends up being a story of a mom who is worried and upset (which explains her sudden outburst and flinging the picture of the family when the kids were still babies), but who will put on a happy face and do everything she can to make sure her children are okay."
It seems almost like Waid is writing the kids as if they are real life "special needs" kids. The idea of a stolen childhood, worrying more than you would normally. Of course, I have been accused of reading to much into stuff. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The review (havn&#8217;t read the issue) reads like the story is sad, to me.<br />
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&#8220;Instead of being a story about Wally or the kids, Flash #231 ends up being a story of a mom who is worried and upset (which explains her sudden outburst and flinging the picture of the family when the kids were still babies), but who will put on a happy face and do everything she can to make sure her children are okay.&#8221;<br />
It seems almost like Waid is writing the kids as if they are real life &#8220;special needs&#8221; kids. The idea of a stolen childhood, worrying more than you would normally. Of course, I have been accused of reading to much into stuff. ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Baal</title>
		<link>http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2186.htm/#comment-35027</link>
		<dc:creator>Baal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And why not personal gain?  What would be so bad if one of these brats decides they love gardening above all else and uses their powers to hyper-accelerate plant growth so their nursery is a success?  I wasn't the hugest fan of Robinson's Starman but I did like the way the main character's older brother was so spectacularly unsuited to be a hero.  Let some super-hero's kid be the equivalant of the stereotypical preacher's kid for once without laying angst on them that they owe it to the world not to have a normal life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And why not personal gain?  What would be so bad if one of these brats decides they love gardening above all else and uses their powers to hyper-accelerate plant growth so their nursery is a success?  I wasn&#8217;t the hugest fan of Robinson&#8217;s Starman but I did like the way the main character&#8217;s older brother was so spectacularly unsuited to be a hero.  Let some super-hero&#8217;s kid be the equivalant of the stereotypical preacher&#8217;s kid for once without laying angst on them that they owe it to the world not to have a normal life.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent F.</title>
		<link>http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2186.htm/#comment-35022</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Better they follow Dad's footsteps then let their powers go to waste or let them use them for their own personal gain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Better they follow Dad&#8217;s footsteps then let their powers go to waste or let them use them for their own personal gain.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woah.  Why?  Why do Jai and Iris have to follow in Wally's footsteps?  Does it have something to do with Bart's 'death'?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woah.  Why?  Why do Jai and Iris have to follow in Wally&#8217;s footsteps?  Does it have something to do with Bart&#8217;s &#8216;death&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Schleicher</title>
		<link>http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2186.htm/#comment-34953</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Schleicher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and no fair posting comments to a story before it goes live for everyone else to read ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and no fair posting comments to a story before it goes live for everyone else to read ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Schleicher</title>
		<link>http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/2186.htm/#comment-34952</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Schleicher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harper's Ferry? Keystone, KS and Central City, MO are located about 50 miles north of Kansas City, KS and Kansas City, MO. When I first saw the issue, I thought it might have been one of those riverboat gambling joints that line the river.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harper&#8217;s Ferry? Keystone, KS and Central City, MO are located about 50 miles north of Kansas City, KS and Kansas City, MO. When I first saw the issue, I thought it might have been one of those riverboat gambling joints that line the river.</p>
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