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		<title>By: Matthew Peterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 04:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh&#039;s perspective is as valid as anyone else&#039;s, and you both make good points.

I should like to state that I don&#039;t speak for Stephen, but I think of what we do as less journalism and more gentle critique and analysis.  Either way, the review is honest in what it conveys, I think the question is more of what a review SHOULD convey from a specific perspective.  Your mileage, as always, may vary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh&#8217;s perspective is as valid as anyone else&#8217;s, and you both make good points.</p>
<p>I should like to state that I don&#8217;t speak for Stephen, but I think of what we do as less journalism and more gentle critique and analysis.  Either way, the review is honest in what it conveys, I think the question is more of what a review SHOULD convey from a specific perspective.  Your mileage, as always, may vary.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 23:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh...I didn&#039;t say what I said to be a dick. If you took it that way, I&#039;m sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh&#8230;I didn&#8217;t say what I said to be a dick. If you took it that way, I&#8217;m sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 15:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Dave

Clearly, a lack of professional journalism is something a great many industries deal with.  Since the topic at hand deals with just one industry--comics--I chose to voice my frustrations with that.  I specifically mentioned that the comics industry is something that I have a vested interest in.   And being that you have a Master&#039;s degree (congrats, by the way), I&#039;m sure you can understand my reasons for being especially frustrated with the lack of journalistic integrity in this industry, while still recognizing the lack of journalistic intergrity in other industries.  I actually am capable of recognizing things like that.  Are you not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Dave</p>
<p>Clearly, a lack of professional journalism is something a great many industries deal with.  Since the topic at hand deals with just one industry&#8211;comics&#8211;I chose to voice my frustrations with that.  I specifically mentioned that the comics industry is something that I have a vested interest in.   And being that you have a Master&#8217;s degree (congrats, by the way), I&#8217;m sure you can understand my reasons for being especially frustrated with the lack of journalistic integrity in this industry, while still recognizing the lack of journalistic intergrity in other industries.  I actually am capable of recognizing things like that.  Are you not?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Schleicher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Schleicher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 04:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh, like we told Cory; everyone is entitled to their opinion.  If you didn&#039;t like my review, fine be me...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, like we told Cory; everyone is entitled to their opinion.  If you didn&#8217;t like my review, fine be me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/15591.htm/#comment-129700</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 03:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh, not only do I have a Master&#039;s degree...I&#039;m a former journalist. Trust me, buckaroo, a lack of professional journalism is a problem in far more areas than the comics industry.   Sounds like you have the seed sprouting for a blog of your own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, not only do I have a Master&#8217;s degree&#8230;I&#8217;m a former journalist. Trust me, buckaroo, a lack of professional journalism is a problem in far more areas than the comics industry.   Sounds like you have the seed sprouting for a blog of your own.</p>
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		<title>By: Brother129</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brother129</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 02:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this post needs now is Cory to show up...</description>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 02:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ricco

I wouldn&#039;t want to read an insipid analysis of every panel either.  Still, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s out of the question to expect a mention about characterization, storytelling, etc., in a review.  These are the foundations of the medium.  Imagine a review for The Dark Knight that spent 90% of it&#039;s time dwelling on the Bat-franchise as a whole and ending with, &quot;Oh and that Heath Ledger fellow was pretty good, too.&quot;  That&#039;d be a pretty awful review.

This is a silly debate anyway.  Likely, it stems from my ongoing frustration with the lack of actual, professional journalism within the comics industry.  It&#039;s hard to take it with a grain a salt sometimes when it&#039;s an industry that I personally have a lot vested in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ricco</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t want to read an insipid analysis of every panel either.  Still, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s out of the question to expect a mention about characterization, storytelling, etc., in a review.  These are the foundations of the medium.  Imagine a review for The Dark Knight that spent 90% of it&#8217;s time dwelling on the Bat-franchise as a whole and ending with, &#8220;Oh and that Heath Ledger fellow was pretty good, too.&#8221;  That&#8217;d be a pretty awful review.</p>
<p>This is a silly debate anyway.  Likely, it stems from my ongoing frustration with the lack of actual, professional journalism within the comics industry.  It&#8217;s hard to take it with a grain a salt sometimes when it&#8217;s an industry that I personally have a lot vested in.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 22:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Josh: To quote Mr. Mackey from South Park: &quot;Drugs are bad, M&#039;kay&quot;
Of course Batman RIP is used in this review, this craptacular series was sold as a &quot;conclusion&quot; to RIP , conclusion my foot, it doesn&#039;t even have an actual ending.

Unless you haven&#039;t noticed this isn&#039;t an English literary debate forum, it&#039;s a comic book forum and 99.99% of people come to read the reviews here because they WANT to know Matthew and Stephen&#039;s opinion on comics and not some insipid academic analysis of every panel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Josh: To quote Mr. Mackey from South Park: &#8220;Drugs are bad, M&#8217;kay&#8221;<br />
Of course Batman RIP is used in this review, this craptacular series was sold as a &#8220;conclusion&#8221; to RIP , conclusion my foot, it doesn&#8217;t even have an actual ending.</p>
<p>Unless you haven&#8217;t noticed this isn&#8217;t an English literary debate forum, it&#8217;s a comic book forum and 99.99% of people come to read the reviews here because they WANT to know Matthew and Stephen&#8217;s opinion on comics and not some insipid academic analysis of every panel.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 22:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I&#039;ll make it simple and break out the sock puppets.  

The bulk of the review talks about the Batman titles in general and how dead isn&#039;t dead in comics and something about Wally West and Captain America and here&#039;s a list of new Batman books coming out soon and DC has no balls and Bruce Wayne should stay dead and here&#039;s something about the state of comics and oh, yeah, Tony Daniel&#039;s art looked nice.

It&#039;s like one long tangent with some actual review thrown on at the end as more or less an afterthought.  I mean, this is supposed to be a comic book review, and there&#039;s literally no mention about if the dialogue was good or bad, or if the characterization was good or bad, or if Daniel juggled the large cast well.  It&#039;s just a badly written review.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I&#8217;ll make it simple and break out the sock puppets.  </p>
<p>The bulk of the review talks about the Batman titles in general and how dead isn&#8217;t dead in comics and something about Wally West and Captain America and here&#8217;s a list of new Batman books coming out soon and DC has no balls and Bruce Wayne should stay dead and here&#8217;s something about the state of comics and oh, yeah, Tony Daniel&#8217;s art looked nice.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like one long tangent with some actual review thrown on at the end as more or less an afterthought.  I mean, this is supposed to be a comic book review, and there&#8217;s literally no mention about if the dialogue was good or bad, or if the characterization was good or bad, or if Daniel juggled the large cast well.  It&#8217;s just a badly written review.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 21:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, Josh...I have a Master&#039;s degree, and I don&#039;t see what you see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, Josh&#8230;I have a Master&#8217;s degree, and I don&#8217;t see what you see.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 21:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I read it again.  What does all of this...

&quot;Even if DC jumped up and down screaming in our faces saying the ending wouldn’t be the ending we expected.  Really DC?  Really?  I think following this stunt, and the three stunts before this, readers are wise to the bull, meaning the company is really going to have to try harder to get back into our good graces.

It would be nice if DC pulled a Marvel by finally elevating Dick/Bucky to top of the hero list for longer than 24 issues.  The current change just seems so empty because we know Bruce Wayne is alive.  And this is the real problem with everything going on in the DC Universe right now.  When we know death is not permanent, that those that die will be back within a three year time-period, why should the reader care about the characters any longer?

For Batman, we’ve already been through the battle for the mantle in Knight Fall, which turned out to be a better story in retrospect.  Unless DC grows a pair, and keeps Bruce in the coffin for the next thirty years, Dick’s time as Batman is short lived, and it seems we all know it.  When Barry Allen died, readers had a chance to see Wally grow and become a very unique Flash.  If we don’t get thirty years - heck even five years would be interesting - of Dick as Batman, it will all be a waste of the reader/fan’s time, as comic publishers continue to scramble to snatch as much of the pie as possible with these get rich quick schemes.

To be honest, I want to.  I really want Batman, Batman and Robin, Red Robin, Detective Comics, Gotham City Sirens, Batman: Streets of Gotham, Batman Confidential, and the hundreds of other Batman titles to be really good again.  I really want these series to succeed (even the grant morrison one).  I want these titles to be the top twenty titles on the Diamond sales list each month.  Why aren’t they?   And what needs to change to make that happen?  Here’s hoping the answer can be found in the next four months.&quot;

...have to do with the actual issue at hand?  It tells me nothing of how Tony Daniel wrote or drew the issue.  I mean seriously, you had exactly TWO sentences dealing with the art.  

I know you want to defend your review, but just face facts.  It&#039;s a bad one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I read it again.  What does all of this&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Even if DC jumped up and down screaming in our faces saying the ending wouldn’t be the ending we expected.  Really DC?  Really?  I think following this stunt, and the three stunts before this, readers are wise to the bull, meaning the company is really going to have to try harder to get back into our good graces.</p>
<p>It would be nice if DC pulled a Marvel by finally elevating Dick/Bucky to top of the hero list for longer than 24 issues.  The current change just seems so empty because we know Bruce Wayne is alive.  And this is the real problem with everything going on in the DC Universe right now.  When we know death is not permanent, that those that die will be back within a three year time-period, why should the reader care about the characters any longer?</p>
<p>For Batman, we’ve already been through the battle for the mantle in Knight Fall, which turned out to be a better story in retrospect.  Unless DC grows a pair, and keeps Bruce in the coffin for the next thirty years, Dick’s time as Batman is short lived, and it seems we all know it.  When Barry Allen died, readers had a chance to see Wally grow and become a very unique Flash.  If we don’t get thirty years &#8211; heck even five years would be interesting &#8211; of Dick as Batman, it will all be a waste of the reader/fan’s time, as comic publishers continue to scramble to snatch as much of the pie as possible with these get rich quick schemes.</p>
<p>To be honest, I want to.  I really want Batman, Batman and Robin, Red Robin, Detective Comics, Gotham City Sirens, Batman: Streets of Gotham, Batman Confidential, and the hundreds of other Batman titles to be really good again.  I really want these series to succeed (even the grant morrison one).  I want these titles to be the top twenty titles on the Diamond sales list each month.  Why aren’t they?   And what needs to change to make that happen?  Here’s hoping the answer can be found in the next four months.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;have to do with the actual issue at hand?  It tells me nothing of how Tony Daniel wrote or drew the issue.  I mean seriously, you had exactly TWO sentences dealing with the art.  </p>
<p>I know you want to defend your review, but just face facts.  It&#8217;s a bad one.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Schleicher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Schleicher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 15:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might want to read that again, as I only mentioned RIP in passing as it relates directly to how Jason Todd bites it in this issue. :D</description>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 15:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be perfectly honest, this a terrible review.  90% of it deals with the reviewers opinions about Batman RIP and not this actual issue of Battle for the Cowl #3.  Was the issue paced well?  How was the storytelling?  Was the characterization good or bad?  We have no idea as to what the reviewers opinions about these are, because no opinions were given.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be perfectly honest, this a terrible review.  90% of it deals with the reviewers opinions about Batman RIP and not this actual issue of Battle for the Cowl #3.  Was the issue paced well?  How was the storytelling?  Was the characterization good or bad?  We have no idea as to what the reviewers opinions about these are, because no opinions were given.</p>
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		<title>By: duckface</title>
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		<dc:creator>duckface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 06:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think there ever was a chance that this series would be good. I bought it for completion&#039;s sake, but statements made by Morrison indicate RIP was all the lead-in needed for Batman &amp; Robin. DC obviously wanted to cash in on the death buzz, make some money off of 3 months of a inactive franchise, or, at best, provide readers with some background for the other Bat books (Batman, Detective etc).

The only thing that disappoints me is that they STILL have yet to admit that it is Dick, by playing that little trick at the end. This pisses me off for two reasons: a) if it IS Dick, don&#039;t treat us as if we&#039;re idiots, and b) if it isn&#039;t, which is VERY UNLIKELY, I will be very angry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think there ever was a chance that this series would be good. I bought it for completion&#8217;s sake, but statements made by Morrison indicate RIP was all the lead-in needed for Batman &amp; Robin. DC obviously wanted to cash in on the death buzz, make some money off of 3 months of a inactive franchise, or, at best, provide readers with some background for the other Bat books (Batman, Detective etc).</p>
<p>The only thing that disappoints me is that they STILL have yet to admit that it is Dick, by playing that little trick at the end. This pisses me off for two reasons: a) if it IS Dick, don&#8217;t treat us as if we&#8217;re idiots, and b) if it isn&#8217;t, which is VERY UNLIKELY, I will be very angry.</p>
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		<title>By: MechanisticMoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>MechanisticMoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 05:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with you, Stephen, I really wanted this series to do well.  I really want Batman to do well.  I want DC to do well.  However, they just keep on shooting themselves in the foot.  Shut up instead of publicizing something that we know you&#039;re lying about... there&#039;s more mystery involved that way.  Sure, the reboot of the Bat-verse has a lot of opportunity especially with the Red Robin series, but I feel like Bruce will be back within the next couple years and DC will lose out on another great opportunity opened for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with you, Stephen, I really wanted this series to do well.  I really want Batman to do well.  I want DC to do well.  However, they just keep on shooting themselves in the foot.  Shut up instead of publicizing something that we know you&#8217;re lying about&#8230; there&#8217;s more mystery involved that way.  Sure, the reboot of the Bat-verse has a lot of opportunity especially with the Red Robin series, but I feel like Bruce will be back within the next couple years and DC will lose out on another great opportunity opened for them.</p>
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